with Angelina Markus, Professor of Philosophy
The Roots of
the Word Begin in
The Macedonian language and Macedonian
teachers reached and spread out from the bottom of the Balkans to
in the far reaches of
. Why? The answer is simple: there too lived Macedonians. Putting it another
way, why would our teachers go to such far away lands if not to be with the same
people, of the same spirit, of the one and same culture? That’s why even today
we understand each other be it the Serbians, Croatians, Bulgarians, Russians,
Ukrainians, Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, etc.
Markus you are a professor of philology yet you have written several books that
delve deep into Macedonian ancient history…
Philosophy itself permits that. Philosophy is knowledge, knowledge above the
sciences of Aristotle’s time. Philosophy encompasses the study of the world in
its fullest, the cosmos, nature, the universe of mankind and the processes of
thinking. As a student of Philosophy I have wide knowledge in all these
disciplines. In the last 5 to 6
years I have written eleven books covering a wide perspective of subjects.
When I delivered my books “Macedonian Ancient Medicine”, “Macedonian
Ancient Theaters” and some others, to the director of the Veles theater, he
asked me “Are these editions of the same book or are they different books?”
My answer was “All my books are connected and represent a continuation
of the first to the eleventh book, all dedicated to
’s teaching, people, fighters, scientists, and everything that
gave to the world.”
The books themselves find a way of widening the theme. For example, when I write
about the kings, about Philip II, about Alexander the Macedonian, I can’t help
but write about the philosophy of the time, of the Macedonian theaters, the
arts, the architecture, sculptures, mosaics and all things which express what is
Macedonian and needs to be told. That is what I do from book to book.
the Dionysian celebrations in 2003 in
you publicly apologized to the Macedonian people and to your former students
for your misleading teachings. How did you arrive at this reversal?
A few years back, as I was reviewing some books and notes from fifty years ago I
was seized by a strong realization that in the current history everything is
erroneously written; in the encyclopedia, in formal papers, in almost everything
where the name
appears. I realized that during my entire working life, with a teaching guide
in my hands, generation after generation I have taught students that there was a
Greek Culture, Greek theaters, Greek philosophy and so on, when all these were
you reckon there is a need to do a complete revision of
’s history from its beginning to today?
Absolutely there is a need to do such a revision, but that is a painstaking and
tedious process which cannot be done by a single person. Many of my former
d behind me on this and help me out as much as they can and by various means
possible. We need to begin by rectifying all that has been erroneously written.
Each individual must take corrective action and do as much as possible.
Unfortunately, it is going to be difficult because this process is dominated by
politics which prefer the status quo.
I am not losing hope though and I know that all the greatness that has been
created by Macedonians will one day come out from its camouflage. The masks will
one day fall and the true face will be revealed.
have created a world and yet you still work on the same part where you started.
What is with the Macedonian educational institutions? What is their attitude
towards these themes which are erroneously presented in the world?
That which I do I do only for
. I don’t have an interest in politics, but I will tell you when I publish
books and promote them not a single institution makes its presence to
acknowledge my work. Yet this work is done to affirm our people and our nation.
The institutions in
are a lost cause. They are inaccessible and closed in their shells like
turtles. They are run by people whose only interest is to milk the State.
found in Macedonia speak of an enormous and wonderful ancient Macedonian
civilization, yet institutions like MANU and the Macedonian Institute of
National History have done nothing to embrace it. On the contrary, they are
still working on the theory that somehow Macedonians are some kind of
“Slavs”. Slavs who came to our lands from somewhere else?
The theory of the Slavs coming to the Balkans is just a theory, a fabrication.
In fact the world is starting to laugh at this whole Slav notion. The fact is
the Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Russians, etc., are starting to come to the
realization that “the Slav culture” has its roots in
which extend from
all the way to
. Today people are beginning to recognize that their written letters, their
Church, their frescoes, their singing, etc. have roots in
. Why? The answer is simple: there too lived Macedonians. Why else would
Macedonian teachers go to such far away places if not to teach people who were
of the same spirit and of the same culture? That is why even today we under
d each other be it the Serbians, Croatians, Bulgarians, Russians, Ukrainians,
Czechs, Poles and others. The Macedonian language and Macedonian teachers
reached out and spread from the bottom of the Balkans to
in the far reaches of
you speak of
in the past, to which time period and to what place do you refer?
When there is talk about
’s past, before anything I think of the Macedonian Kings Philip and Alexander,
the apostles, churches and the educators. Some today say that all that is
Bulgarian. What Bulgarian? Not the Bulgarians not even the others around us
existed at the time. There was only one civilization in existence and that was
has a long past which begins from the Neolithic period, from the Great Mother.
There is evidence of a Neolithic home, of inscriptions, of writing and of
symbols that go back to some six to seven thousand years before our era, and
maybe further perhaps from the petroglyphs and the rock art. Petroglyphs for
example are nowhere in the world as prolific as they are in
is the center of the world for Rock Art or as some call it, the bellybutton of
Macedonian kingdoms blossomed throughout history from the Neolithic period to
the great kings and their kingdoms and to the Byzantine period during which
Justinian, Samoil, Marko Krale and others upheld the Macedonian traditions and
safeguarded Macedonian symbols like the sunburst, the helmet, the shields, the
arms, and the spirit of creation. During every period Macedonians held high
positions in royalty, in education, in art, etc. Sadly, remnants and artifacts
left behind by those creative Macedonians are leaving
and filling foreign museums.
Just as we speak I am writing about the Macedonian coins. A while back I wrote
something interesting which caught the attention of many including
Petre Bashevski. I wrote “If there is a museum in the world which has
an older coin than the Macedonian coins, please let me know.”
But to this day there is no response because there are no older coins
than the Macedonian coins and that is why I believe the root of the world starts
Obviously Macedonian artifacts are being
lifted from the ground yet the State up until now has not taken measures to
Markus: Yes, as I said Macedonian
artifacts are enriching foreign museums. The
State has not undertaken measures to prevent illegal excavations, but there are
decent people who are interested in preserving our Macedonian heritage and are
reporting findings. For example, a journalist from
has found Perseus’s boat in
. Perseus was the last Macedonian King before
’s fall to
. Perseus, and his entire family, was captured by the Romans in
8 BC and taken away as a slave.
I have come across a book where I read that in the Roman plunder of
, among other things, included 1,600 golden crowns which were taken. The loot
was paraded through
to show it off, to show how much they had gained by the destruction of
and the enslavement of the Macedonian King Perseus. In the same parade they
tied the Macedonian King to a yoke to show that he now was a slave and dragged
through the public streets to further humiliate him.
A while ago in Tsrnobuk about five kilometers from
, Perseida, Perseus’s city was found. This city was built by Perseus’s
father King Philip V. A celebration in the last King’s honour is planned, to
which I am invited.
I also want to mention that I collaborate with the director of the Kratovo
museum who one day brought me five hundred photographs taken from the nearby
unearthed observatory. The site is about twenty kilometers long and includes a
theater, a rotunda, a place of worship of the Macedonian gods and a variety of
interesting artifacts. There are
also findings of ancient living places in the center of
, Prilep and other cities. Macedonians are now becoming aware of this and are
starting to uncover their great and miraculous history.
By Liljana Ristova
Translated from Macedonian to English and edited by Risto Stefov